Item Loss Skip - Revision history

HeadshotTAS at 18:12, 13 December 2021

2021-12-13T18:12:16Z

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	~~<table style~~=~~"float: right; margin: 5px; border: #AAA solid 1px;">~~		{{Wallcrawl Rooms\|rooms=[[Hive Chamber A]] (start)</br>[[Hive Access Tunnel]]</br>[[Hive Transport Area]]</br>[[Industrial Site]]</br>[[Collapsed Tunnel]] (end)}}'''Item Loss Skip''' or '''ILS''' is a major sequence break in [[Metroid Prime 2: Echoes]] which allows Samus to keep all the items she started the game with, completely breaking open the early game. It involves performing a [[Secret World]] in [[Hive Chamber A]] and wallcrawling past the rest of the Splinter Hive portion of the area. This saves several minutes in any% speedruns and allows Samus to keep the following 5 items, which would be lost without doing it normally.
	~~<tr>~~
	~~<td></td>~~
	~~<td><strong>Rooms Traversed</br>In This Wallcrawl</strong></td>~~
	~~<td></td>~~
	~~</tr>~~
	~~<tr>~~
	~~<td></td>~~
	~~<td>~~[[Hive Chamber A]] (start)</br>[[Hive Access Tunnel]]</br>[[Hive Transport Area]]</br>[[Industrial Site]]</br>[[Collapsed Tunnel]] (end)~~</td>~~
	~~<td></td>~~
	~~</tr>~~
	~~</table>~~'''Item Loss Skip''' or '''ILS''' is a major sequence break in [[Metroid Prime 2: Echoes]] which allows Samus to keep all the items she started the game with, completely breaking open the early game. It involves performing a [[Secret World]] in [[Hive Chamber A]] and wallcrawling past the rest of the Splinter Hive portion of the area. This saves several minutes in any% speedruns and allows Samus to keep the following 5 items, which would be lost without doing it normally.
	* [[Missile Launcher]]		* [[Missile Launcher]]
	* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]		* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]
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	==Room by Room Guide==		==Room by Room Guide==
			It is worth noting that there are two different variants of this wallcrawl, and they are both identical until they reach the room [[Collapsed Tunnel]]. The main difference between the two variants is that one of them ends the wallcrawl inside Collapsed Tunnel by having the room load around Samus, while the other variant continues to stay out of bounds in Collapsed Tunnel and moves more directly to the [[Power Bomb]] expansion. Additionally, it is possible to go directly to [[Transport to Agon Wastes (Temple Grounds)\|Transport to Agon Wastes]] once out of bounds. However, this isn't currently done in speedruns because the expansion in [[Dynamo Chamber]] is considered to be the fastest one for humans with current knowledge.

	The current method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)\|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.		The current method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)\|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}
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	===Industrial Site===		===Industrial Site===
	===Collapsed Tunnel===		===Collapsed Tunnel===

			==Energy Tank Comparison==
			The video below compares the two different variations of the wallcrawl from the point where they diverge. Skipping the energy tank in [[Storage Cavern B]] saves roughly 18 seconds.
			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2URRL66tak4}}

	==Old Method==		==Old Method==
	The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.		The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}

HeadshotTAS at 20:56, 7 August 2021

2021-08-07T20:56:51Z

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	=~~= General Information ==~~		<table style="float: right; margin: 5px; border: #AAA solid 1px;">
	This is ~~the unquestionably the biggest~~ sequence break in ~~the entire game, and arguably the entire~~ Prime ~~series. It~~ allows ~~you~~ to keep all the items ~~you~~ started the game with, ~~which~~ completely ~~breaks~~ open the early game. It ~~would be difficult to measure~~ the ~~exact amount~~ of ~~time it~~ saves ~~compared~~ to ~~losing your items, but it's definitely many, many minutes.~~		<tr>
			<td></td>
	~~In Prime 2, you start the game with~~ the following 5 items, which ~~you maintain with ILS:~~		<td><strong>Rooms Traversed</br>In This Wallcrawl</strong></td>
			<td></td>
			</tr>
			<tr>
			<td></td>
			<td>[[Hive Chamber A]] (start)</br>[[Hive Access Tunnel]]</br>[[Hive Transport Area]]</br>[[Industrial Site]]</br>[[Collapsed Tunnel]] (end)</td>
			<td></td>
			</tr>
			</table>'''Item Loss Skip''' or '''ILS''' is a major sequence break in [[Metroid Prime 2: Echoes]] which allows Samus to keep all the items she started the game with, completely breaking open the early game. It involves performing a [[Secret World]] in [[Hive Chamber A]] and wallcrawling past the rest of the Splinter Hive portion of the area. This saves several minutes in any% speedruns and allows Samus to keep the following 5 items, which would be lost without doing it normally.
	* [[Missile Launcher]]		* [[Missile Launcher]]
	* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]		* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]
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	* [[Spider Ball]]		* [[Spider Ball]]

	~~Some other notes:~~		Despite that the Item Loss sequence tells you that you've lost your [[Power Bomb]] and [[Grapple Beam]], the game never actually gives you those items at the start of the game to begin with. Additionally, the Item Loss sequence makes no mention of Spider Ball, but the game does give it to you at the beginning, which you retain with ILS.
	* Interestingly enough, if you ~~lose your items, the game says~~ you lost [[Power Bomb]] and [[Grapple Beam]], ~~although it is~~ actually ~~lying and~~ you ~~don't~~ start the game with the ~~items~~.
	* Currently, there is no way to ~~perform ILS~~ in ~~100%, since~~ the ~~Missile Expansion~~ in [[Hive Chamber B]] (the ~~room you lose your items~~ in~~) doesn't~~ exist until the room ~~has been reloaded~~.		Due to the fact that this requires a SW in Hive Chamber A, and there is no other known way to get out of bounds in the Splinter Hive before the sequence in [[Hive Chamber B]], this means that Item Loss Skip is currently impossible under 100% conditions with current knowledge. This is because the missile expansion in Hive Chamber B does not exist until after the sequence is completed. There may be a way to get this missile expansion if there is some way to get out of bounds in Hive Chamber B, or otherwise reload the room.
	* The current method of ILS can be ~~done~~ on any version of the game.
			ILS can be performed on any version of the game, including the [[Metroid Prime Trilogy\|Trilogy]] version of the game.

	== ~~Current Method~~ ==		==Room by Room Guide==
	The current method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)\|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.		The current method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)\|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}

	== Old Method ==		===Hive Chamber A===
			===Hive Access Tunnel===
			===Hive Transport Area===
			===Industrial Site===
			===Collapsed Tunnel===

			==Old Method==
	The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.		The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}

Dyceron: /* General Information */

2020-10-07T23:50:20Z

General Information

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	* [[Missile Launcher]]		* [[Missile Launcher]]
	* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]		* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]
	* [[Space Jump]]		* [[Space Jump Boots]]
	* [[Boost Ball]]		* [[Boost Ball]]
	* [[Spider Ball]]		* [[Spider Ball]]

BashPrime: Switched the order of the methods as the current method is far more relevant than the infinite speed method

2020-10-07T21:56:47Z

Switched the order of the methods as the current method is far more relevant than the infinite speed method

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	* Interestingly enough, if you lose your items, the game says you lost [[Power Bomb]] and [[Grapple Beam]], although it is actually lying and you don't start the game with the items.		* Interestingly enough, if you lose your items, the game says you lost [[Power Bomb]] and [[Grapple Beam]], although it is actually lying and you don't start the game with the items.
	* Currently, there is no way to perform ILS in 100%, since the Missile Expansion in [[Hive Chamber B]] (the room you lose your items in) doesn't exist until the room has been reloaded.		* Currently, there is no way to perform ILS in 100%, since the Missile Expansion in [[Hive Chamber B]] (the room you lose your items in) doesn't exist until the room has been reloaded.
	* The ~~new~~ method of ILS can be done on any version of the game.		* The current method of ILS can be done on any version of the game.

			== Current Method ==
			The current method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)\|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.
			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}

	== Old Method ==		== Old Method ==
	The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.		The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}

	~~== New Method ==~~
	A new method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)\|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.
	~~{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}~~

Dyceron: Created page with "== General Information == This is the unquestionably the biggest sequence break in the entire game, and arguably the entire Prime series. It allows you to keep all the items y..."

2020-09-25T16:17:37Z

Created page with "== General Information == This is the unquestionably the biggest sequence break in the entire game, and arguably the entire Prime series. It allows you to keep all the items y..."

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== General Information ==
This is the unquestionably the biggest sequence break in the entire game, and arguably the entire Prime series. It allows you to keep all the items you started the game with, which completely breaks open the early game. It would be difficult to measure the exact amount of time it saves compared to losing your items, but it's definitely many, many minutes.

In Prime 2, you start the game with the following 5 items, which you maintain with ILS:
* [[Missile Launcher]]
* [[Morph Ball Bomb]]
* [[Space Jump]]
* [[Boost Ball]]
* [[Spider Ball]]

Some other notes:
* Interestingly enough, if you lose your items, the game says you lost [[Power Bomb]] and [[Grapple Beam]], although it is actually lying and you don't start the game with the items.
* Currently, there is no way to perform ILS in 100%, since the Missile Expansion in [[Hive Chamber B]] (the room you lose your items in) doesn't exist until the room has been reloaded.
* The new method of ILS can be done on any version of the game.

== Old Method ==
The first method to skip item loss was found in 2010 and used a trick called [[Infinite Speed]]. Essentially, you used Infinite Speed in [[Hive Chamber A]] to hit the cutscene trigger where you fall down the tunnel in [[Hive Access Tunnel]]. However, since you weren't actually in Hive Access Tunnel while hitting this trigger, the game just warped you [[Out of Bounds]] in Hive Access Tunnel at the point of the trigger, and you were then free to wallcrawl and skip item loss. This method is 50 seconds slower than the new method and also has a 50% chance of crashing the game.
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1_ejJc0As}}

== New Method ==
A new method to get out of bounds before item loss was found in 2016 by [https://www.twitch.tv/edgragon_gx EDragon]. On top of being hilariously simple, its is 50 seconds faster and has no risk of crashing the game, making it extremely convenient for Any% and Low% speedruns. You literally just jump through a hole in the ceiling in Hive Chamber A. From here, you can [[Dash Jump (Echoes)|Scan Dash]] out into the Aether, get to the skywalk, then touch the top of the tunnel and immediately move back to transition to Hive Access Tunnel. You can also try a one-time Aether Jump while walking towards the tunnel, as shown in the video. While being slightly faster, this is significantly riskier.
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmh7mYAnnU}}